because they are insane.
mabey not all of them, but the one's i've been exposed to so far have some serious mental problems.
and for the record i'm not talking about their religious beliefs, i'm basing my opinion on direct actions taken by the ones that i have had personal experience with.. thought some of you might be interested in the things that have been going on with me and jon's family.
Kevin, say the word and I can bring that caravan of great big hairy dudes to take care of your rotten idiot visitors. I believe that just the sight of some of these guys would send them into shiverin fitz...
Honey, if I can do anything for you just holler.
Hey Feralwoman can't you do some hoodoo to make these cretins lose a nut or something?
Stay strong babe, we are on your side!
Love
Mommie
from most of the topics and replies i have come to believe that most everyone here still believes in god and jesus and the bible.
recently on a thread i've been on i've discovered many do not.
i want to know what mommie dark and others believe on the subject of creation and jesus.
Cindy. Dear ignorant girl. Still wanting others to hand you a nice package you can slot into the hole that would be left if you abandoned your superstitious underpinnings! This intellectual/emotional laziness is bred right into Christians. (huge sigh)Faith as a substitute for reason and common sense. ICK.
It is NOT my job to do the work for you. I have no 'mission' to convince you that your superstitious twaddle is in fact twaddle. I have no intention of engaging in the mental masturbation that you frightened Christers invatiably start to practice when your sandy foundation is shaken.
I merely suggest that you start by finding out WHEN the 'Gospels' were written and realize that NONE of those writers were really eyewitnesses to Jesus' life. Then do some research and find out how many earlier religions had a virgin birth, crucified 'savior' and most of the other motifs attributed to Jesus. Start with Gilgamesh...
Then make a visit to one of the many fine 'origins' newsgroups for a crash course in scientific inquiry.
If you prefer to remain secure in the ignorance of blind faith, then ENJOY! It does take hard work to find an ethical baseline based on decency and common sense rather than the fearmongering guilt that controls Bibliolatrists. If you prefer that relatively brainless high control, then stick with ignorance and its inherent smugness.
Just don't expect others, who have done the tough work, to hand you a nice new salvation package to fit into the empty space where a spine should be.
Take a look at old TommyPoo...he's the poster boy for the worst Christer mindset. If you prefer living in that miasma of supernatural crap with guys like him, who am I to disabuse you of your jones for punishment?
just about everyone i have talked to has started doing some different activities since leaving the borg.
just out of curiousity what would be your favorite activity?.
mine is flag football.
Loves, honey, aren't kids a pleasure when you take the guilt and fear factors out of parenting?
Your kids sound like wonderful people, I know you're poppin' proud of them! Enjoy your family times, that's the basis of real life.
I screwed up bad with my older kids, raising them the cult way, but Little Dark has never had an ounce of fear instilled in him and he's doing great.
I love hearing everyone's affirmations of their lives post-Tower...even the silly tongue-in-cheek ones. There's real encouragement in knowing that y'all are pursuing what you want rather than what some tightassed guiltmonger says you should!
just about everyone i have talked to has started doing some different activities since leaving the borg.
just out of curiousity what would be your favorite activity?.
mine is flag football.
It's ALL good after leaving the Borg...heck even takin a poop is better without thinkin Gawd is watchin.
I love watching raunchy comedy and having sex with my boy genius hubby (sometimes at the same time) and I enjoy smoking herb when I can.
Seriously, the most enjoyment I have is in watching my youngest son do simple things I was forbidden, like playing an instrument in school band, being elected to Student Council (way to go Little D!) and raising money for his school's special projects. My favorite activity is watching him blossom without any cult fear or guilt. What a rush!
this is probably a strange question, but how do you "pick" something else to study?
i'm having a hard time just picking up the bible & reading it - but i'm terrified of picking up any "study material" from other organized religions to help.
which bible do i use?
Cindy do you think only religionists have the ability to be charitable, to love, to be productive citizens? This is going to come as a major shock to all the atheists like me who take in stray homeless kids, who feed anyone who comes asking whether they can afford it or not, who raise money for their schools and community projects and the local battered women's shelter, and who volunteer their time and energy to help people suffering from the aftereffects of their religious upbringing.
You make the typical Christer assumption that without God we have no moral compass and no ability to behave decently. This is insulting in the extreme, and is one of the reasons I hold Christians in general in abject contempt.
The arrogance of your ignorance is appalling, Cindy. Yes I am irate at Christerbabblers. Religion is the cause of most war in the world. Most of the needless suffering on the planet could be eliminated if people were't forever busy trying to force others to follow their imaginary skydaddy's mandates. And you all inevitably tell us how superior you are to everyone else because you follow Jayzez. PUKE! That fake humility while proclaiming how much better you are goes over like a lead balloon with thinking people.
As i said before, anything useful in the Bible can be found in all 'sacred books' (but almost no religous people actually follow what's written there). I keep several Bibles as reference books and when my son is old enough to distinguish fantasy from reality he can use them as such. He will also be permitted to read the Satanist Bible when he's ready, and any other religious material he might want to study. But I protect him from it for now, just like I protect him from pornography and gratuitous violence.
When you defend your Biblegod you sound just like an abused child defending the Daddy that alternately kisses and kicks her. It's really sort of pitiful to hear. I realize you are afraid to even think about a life without the structure and safety of a prepackaged morality, but trust me, yours is not the only way and it most definitely is NOT the best way to live. It's just way easier than learning to think for yourself and finding genuine ethics by which to live sanely.
below are a few comments picked off the nyt forum.
i have yet to see any defense of the wt position.. the jehovah's witnesses have always appeared so pathetic that i never really took them seriously.
my mistake of course, after all, people used to laugh at adoph hitler, but he sure paid them back for their insolence!
Belbab, you have to be a member of AOL to access their message boards. IMO it isn't worth the money or hassle to use AOL.I suppose if you're very zealous you could use one of their 'free hours' cds to get a taste of their little censored closed society, but ick. Just thinking about those nasty forced downloads of 'art' and 'updates' at my expense gives me the willies.
this is probably a strange question, but how do you "pick" something else to study?
i'm having a hard time just picking up the bible & reading it - but i'm terrified of picking up any "study material" from other organized religions to help.
which bible do i use?
since when is the truth blasphemous?
I've read the Bible. Studied it with and without WT blinders. Read many Bible commentaries of all descriptions. I've also read most of the world's other 'sacred' books and the most comprehensive commentaries on them that I could find. Can you say the same thing for yourself? I seriously doubt it.
I made a choice based on sound reasoning and careful research. I am free of superstition and the fear of supernatural beings. There is nothing sad about it, I assure you. Life is rich and full and never ever dull. Someday I will die, and become fertilizer. As will you. As has every single human who ever or will ever live. It's the natural order of things. I think YOU are pathetic for wanting more than your natural existence. I think you're an emotional cripple to need to rely on an archaic and frankly disgusting bit of rubbishy nonsense, much of it written by doped-up religiofanatics, for a guide to life.
I have no use for the Bible except as a good leveller for that wobbly table leg. (And the end pages do make great rolling papers once you get the knack of working without the gummed edge.)
There is nothing useful in the Bible that you couldn't find in simpler and better-written form in any good kindergarten library. The rest of the book is frankly lurid trash, and because of that I do not allow my young child access to any Bible story without proper supervision. I don't want him growing up to believe that he owes something to some invisible skydaddy. I find the whole concept of sin/salvation to be repugnant. I refuse to use guilt, fear, and emotional manipulation to control his behavior. So far, love, common sense, and accurate information have helped him grow into a funny, caring, honest, decent and happy young man. He has none of the fears and worries that the Bible and religion instilled in most of his family. No god necessary, no Bible beyond discussion of Judeo-Christian concepts as they arise in daily life. It's working beautifully.
Freedom is a wonderful precious thing. You might try it sometime, if you can get past your cowardice long enough to poke your head out of your misconceptions and take an unblindered look around.
from what i understand the wtbts is not affiliated with the un but the dpi (department of public information).
if i am right... you all are the morons.
if i am wrong the i am the moron.
hmmm... yeah, honey, it's YOU all right!
Good you figured it out now, maybe you can learn to overcome yer handicap with some application and hard work LOL
this is probably a strange question, but how do you "pick" something else to study?
i'm having a hard time just picking up the bible & reading it - but i'm terrified of picking up any "study material" from other organized religions to help.
which bible do i use?
Hopefully at some point you grow up, learn to stand on your own two feet, and quit looking for salvation packages to make everything peachy without actually having to think or work.
You can stay mired in superstition and unthinking obedience to an ancient tribal handbook, or you can get crackin and do the hard but satisfying work of building a real life in the real world.
Of course it's waaay easier to blame all your troubles on deeminz like old ThommyPoopy does. It's waaay easier to pretend that an Invisible Skydaddy Superhero will 'someday' make things right; it's a great excuse to whinge and pray and do anyoldthing but WORK at making life meaningful.
Good and evil do NOT come from supernatural sources; there is enough of both right in the hearts of humans without mucking the issue up with imaginary spirit adversaries with nothin better to do than hang around diddling in your life!
The Bible is a horrible trashy disgusting tale of violence, hatred, perversion, greed and lust. I refuse to sully my child's mind with it; it's on the 'adult' shelf at our house and he won't be exposed to it until he is old enough to tell fact from fiction.
I heartly recommend that you defect toward sanity and use your Bible for toilet paper or better yet, roll some joints with the pages and chill out. This life is your one shot, better not waste it!
everyone that has a problem with the wts and its members.. (romans 5:3-5) and not only that, but let us exult while in tribulations, since we know that tribulation produces endurance; 4 endurance, in turn, an approved condition; the approved condition, in turn, hope, 5 and the hope does not lead to disappointment; because the love of god has been poured out into our hearts through the holy spirit, which was given us.. (acts 5:29) in answer peter and the [other] apostles said: we must obey god as ruler rather than men.. (revelation 22:18,19) i am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: if anyone makes an addition to these things, god will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, god will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.. anyone who seat himself in the seat of moses is condemned.
anyone that follows such a person is condemned.. anyone who change gods' word is condemned.. condemned by whom?
the almighty god jehovah.. get a life, and get over it, "all those that condemn"!!!!!!!!!!
Pure heart?
Pure fart!
Try blowing it out the right orifice for a change...
